virtual jw world, where you study, go out in service, avoid holidays, gossip, pioneer, get to a certain level, be an elder, form committee mtg.s, df other members.
any other ideas?.
I would definitely play that app!
You could also have special events like kingdom hall and assembly builds where you hit up your neighbours/(bros&sistas) for free building supplies like nails and boards and you have a time limit to complete the project like 1 weekend!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279252/jehovahs-witness-15-dies-refusing-blood-following-crash.html.
Yes, Llbh, both are very important legal points. The estabnlished right of a minor to seek medical treatment without consent of the parent does not under the law, in Britain, Canada, or the US, automatically confer the right to minors of refuse life-saving medical treatment. These are two separate legal issues.
Your second legal point is similiar. The issue of whether the minor should be allowed to refuse medical treatment speaks to the legal issues of medical autonomy, at what age, informed consent, parental rights and liabilities and the duties of medical professionals to provide best known practice methods under current scientific knowledge. These really have nothing to do with the criminal issues regarding the driver. One cannot muddy it all up together for the sake of simplicity.
as you can see from my profile, i'm from the uk and was brought up in the truth.. how about some introductions from people ?
Awww... weren't we all so cute and naive and innocent when we were young...
if jws don't have the truth; if there is no paradise earth; if there is no end of this system; if death is all there is, then what hope do we have to look forward too?.
I am an atheist. I don't believe in any afterlife, although I'm not dogmatic about it or anything. As FFF said, we'll find out after life.
I hope to wake up in the morning, relatively painfree, and enjoy a great cup of coffee and a nice warm shower. I hope to find my job interesting and find joy in doing my best work and I hope at the end of the day I actually was of service to someone and made their day a little easier. I hope to be able to nurture the next generation and teach them a better way to live so that their life can be a little easier than mine was, and they can experience a little more joy and satisfaction and hope for the future than I have.
I hope human beings figure out a way to sustain a healthful environment on this planet, (I try to do my part by reducing, reusing, and recycling). I hope for world peace (I try to do my part by living as non-violent a life as possible.) I hope for an equitable distribution of this world's resources to all people. (I try to do my part by checking my own greed and being content with what I have).
I hope for all this without any hope of being rewarded with eternal life, or any hope that 7 billion other people will be destroyed so the few can attain this. I think this truly is the best way to live and I hope that in the future more and more people on this planet, of every religious persuasion, will be able to see this.
Hope springs eternal.....
Cog
i doubt very seriously that i am the first to make the connection of exiting jw's and much of the movie "shawshank redemption".. frequently, the injustice that many experience as baptized members of jehovah's witnesses cause them to want to resign, to leave.. but it is a prison of sorts.
if you leave and announce it, you are shunned.
and no one will talk to you.. shawshank is such a remarkable movie to me for its simple, underlying theme; finding meaning in our suffering, and never stopping the fight against injustice, esp against our own freedom.. the best part of the movie is the line "you can either get busy living, or get busy dying.".
Great movie! Great thread!
randy and i have been discussing a daily column briefly focusing on recovery issues for ex-jws.
i am very pleased to announce our plans to work together on this endeavor.. monday to friday i will have a new column posted on the front page - (right side of the page and scroll down).
http://www.freeminds.org/ .
What a great idea! I already have in mind someone to refer there who is going through many of those issues right now but cannot afford counseling. Hopefully it will help him to know he is not alone and many others have gone through the same things and have come out on the other side.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1279252/jehovahs-witness-15-dies-refusing-blood-following-crash.html.
I wrote a university essay on why Jehovah's Witness minors should not be allowed to be declared "mature minors" who are competent to make their own medical decisions for themselves.
A few of my points were:
They do not have informed medical consent, because they are misinformed and misled by their church teachings as to the dangers and benefits of blood and taught to distrust the medical and legal establishment that provides them with any other information contradicting their church teachings.
Their decisions are made in a climate of psychological fear, and I outlined the severe psychological consequences of shunning if one takes a blood transfusion, especially to a child raised in the faith, who has no other family, friends, social network or means of support.
68% of people born into the Jehovah's Witnesses eventually leave, so the chances are this youth would have left also.
Now he is dead of course, so we will never know. I got an A+ on my essay. My instructor's only criticism was that it was a bit like shooting fish in a barrel because everyone knows what a lunatic fringe group JW's are. He said that the law protects the JW youths already. On that part he was mistaken. Since he made that statement, two JW teenagers have been in the news and died because medical practitioners allowed them to make the decision as mature minors. One in the US and now this one in UK. There may be many more, this is just the two I'm aware of.
I'm all for medical autonomy, even for minors, but the court precedents are to do with minors being able to seek and choose medical treatment for themselves, (birth control, abortion, etc) without their parents permission, not refuse it. Or, they are to do with being able to choose between very risky treatments without much chance of success in the case of terminal illnesses. There is also a huge issue of informed consent and actually having the correct information about the risks and benefits medically of the different treatments.
The cases of JW minors refusing blood transfusions, do not meet any of these legal tests. In cases like these, I'm in favor of them being made wards of the court and forcibly transfused. Save the life first and sort out the legalities later, I say.
Whether the child would have died anyway is irrelevant to the argument. It is quite possibly true but the issue is that they are fighting for the legal right to take away the child's only chance of survival, no matter how slim. There ought to be a law! Oh wait there is! I think the medical personnel need to pursue it more aggressively in relation to minors.
Cog
just to let you know.. i was kicked off this board as warlock.. over the period of being off the board, i sent simon an apology and asked him to re-instate my account and i would apologize to the board for my offensive behavior on the thread that got me booted out of jwn.. actually, i sent about 3 e-mails to him, but he never responded.. i needed to get back here, so i set up this new account as judge dread, but i never really liked doing it.. basically, what i am telling you all is: to whoever i have offended under either name, i am sorry.. i just needed to clear this up, as i will no longer be posting here.. people here come and go, and we often wonder what happened.. well, i won't say what happened, but at least i got to say goodbye.. warlock .
Hey, it takes a big man to apologize. It's not easy to do and most won't, so I respect that. No need to leave permanently. It's just a discussion board. Discuss when you feel like it.
a "spiritual leader" tells his followers the must put on rebok running shoes and "drink the cool-aid" to join a ufo in the tail of a comet and "go to a better world" so, afew dozen young people do just that to get "beamed up" to the mothership.
heavens gate cult 1990's.. my mother says "she is faithful to the organisation till her death" which makes me wonder if they ordered a mass suicide like the reverend jim jones did to escape a "great tribulation"....how many witnesses would really drink the cool-aid?...
without a gun pointed at their head of course!.
I personally knew a number of very seriously, clinically depressed JW's with various secondary mental health problems. Many of them felt worthless from lives of abuse or were suffering years of painful debilitating physical illnesses. There were many others self-medicating depressive states with alcohol. Many of them were hanging by a thread, just trying to hold on, a few more months or years till the big A. Many of them expressed verbally to me, that they wished they could just go to sleep in death and wake up in the new system.
I don't believe it would take too much effort to get seriously physically, mentally and emotionally ill people to drink. If they are are already depressed and standing on the ledge, wrestling with themselves for a reason to go on with life, how much effort would it take for someone to come along and yell, JUMP. I think they're are a number who would be willing to take that step off the ledge. Perhaps 30% in all is my estimate. 15% of the already and willing, and another 15% of the weakest minded who could be coaxed into anything with a minimum of preparation.
in the last 7 years 3 neighbors have died.
all were not expected.. when i lived in winnipeg our neighbor died.
he was healthy one day and gone the next.
sorry i took so long to reply, i was feeling short of breath and having chest pain!
